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So where is the cash going from stock market drop

I don’t know about a lot of folks out there but has anyone wondered where all the cash is going with trillions being wiped out.

Even though reserve banks input billions of pounds and the USA with $700bn which is currently not in the system.

But after many days of drops and billions being input by a variety of countries from Japan to UK the markets still nose dive.

So who is getting all that cash that is flowing out of the system.

If companies and banks still go down even with billions in rescue tasks who gets that cash as well.

Taxpayers can only pay for so much and if the world has been relying on atrificial propups of monetary systems then its just come back home to bite you all.

I remember reading a book once where China had a plan and it involved billions in stocks and at some stage in the future they would wait for the market in the USA to start to collapse and then pull cash out.

This was written by a couple of reliable lads from newspapers who knew what was what back in the late 80’s 90’s.

So if true then who is getting the cash and it has to be flowing somewhere.

Not pointing any fingers! We are talking trillions of dollars wiped out and its still happening.

8 Responses to “So where is the cash going from stock market drop”

  1. moryah4 Says:

    I think the book you mentioned was called “Dragon Strike”
    That book also inferred that China was spending most of its production profit on Nuclear Armamentsand would plan to go after certain oil deposits it has always laid claim (was it islands South of the Phillipines).
    The book also mentioned speculated military strikes being made in South Korea and Taiwan .Well with the largest manouvrable army in the world and all of the stolen nuclear secrets China acquired from the US and a lot of the world’s cash now in her possession…gulp!

  2. moryah4 Says:

    MARKETS SLIDE AS CONTAGION SPREADS THROUGH EUROPE.

    By Geoff Kitney,Robert Guy and Anthony Hughes.
    (The Australian Financial Review)
    7 October,2008.

    Global marketstumbled following a German government rescue of one of its biggest lenders,which stoked fears that Europe had emerged as the new front in the credit crisis.
    Concerns that europe will be the centre of the next wave of finacial instability came as the German government backed a 50 billion euro ($90 billion $Aust.) rescue package of hypo Real estate and the Icelandic government scrambled to save its banking system,fuelling worries of renewed credit market turmoil as banks hoard cash on doubts about the insolvency of the US and european institutions.The finacial crisis in Europe has the potential to become more serious than that in the US.Governments in that at least five European capitals are engaged in efforts to save major banks from collapse and have beem taking emergency measures to shore up confidence in their banking systems.The european turmoil comes as the bush administration hopes its $US700 billion plan to buy troubled mortage debt from banks will free up credit markets and lower borrowing costs,amid signs the US economy is sliding into recession .

    (Looking at the thousands of dollars that has been wiped of my own measly superannuation fund because of this whole crisis I realize the Doc is right China have managed to $titch us all up.)

  3. moryah4 Says:

    I managed to locate a copy of the book Doc referred to here, ‘Dragon Strike’ written by Humphrey Hawksley and Simon Holberton in 1997.
    Here is Humphrey Hawksley’s bio as a reporter:
    http://www.humphreyhawksley.com/pages/reporter/

    I hope to post exceprts from this classic .
    .

  4. moryah4 Says:

    When I was researching Humphrey Hawksley ,author of “Dragonstrike”
    I discovered his co-writer Simon Holberton is actually Hawksley’s pseudonymn.So Hawksley actually has double the credentials of experience in Asia specifically China so it would appear especially flicking through this amazing book he was extremely well-informed.
    .”Dragon Strike” is a big book and I have yet to trawl through it but it has a chart showing the possible world strategy China will use when it throws down the gauntlet to the rest of the world.I am no world expert but there seems a certain harsh rigity to the Chinese and their society(especially when it comes to their legal system and all things monetary) ,there is also as “Dragonstrike points out,allegiance to saving face for past injustices these things makes China somewhat predictable ,no matter how guarded she is,if she is given free rein There seem strong probabilties she will follow Hawksley’s projections”
    The first point of action Humphey Hawksley’s book catalogues as a presumed military action would be several military strikes against Vietnam, a course of action which would be a double-edged sword ,one :revenge for the Chinese losses in the 1979 boarder incursion by China where Vietnam slaughtered 15,000 to 20,000 Chinese soldiers.The campaign had been designed to teach Vietnam a lesson for overthrowing the Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge government in Cambodia:instead,the skilled Vietnamese overpowered China causing their withdrawal .
    This situation was a catalyst in China modernizing her armed forces,says Humphrey’s ,the conclusion drawn from this scenario was that the Chinese ruling bodies decided that they should never be humiliated like this again by a foreign army .
    The other reason for the new proposed strike on Vietnam,speculated in “Dragonstrike” is expressed in this statement in the book by fictitious Chinese president,President Wang:
    “For two long ,Comrades,”the President began,”China’s enemies have exploited the oil riches contained in the waters around Nansha(Spratly) and Xisha(Paracel)Islands.Our scientists estimate there are 10 billion tonnes of oil benath the surface of our great southern sea.this is chinese oil nd China’s 3 billion people need it.China is a poor,developing country and we cannot continue to import oil at the present rate demanded by the growth in our economy.
    “Vietnam has illegally occupied the Nansha and Xisha Islands.vietnam has ignored the consitant stand of the Chinese governement and hindered our legitimate activities.the Chinese people love peace and do not hope for war.But the Vietnamese authorities are wrong in thinking that we are weak and easy to bully simply because we desire peace.This mission you embark upon this morning is a warning to President Nguyen to abandon once and for all his ambitions of swallowing up China’s sacred territory.
    “CoMrades ,these are momentous time.In a short while units of our heroic air force and navy will set out on a mission no less im portant than any our mighty revolutionary army has faced in the past.Success in the battle will ensure a bright future for our Party,our motherland,and our people.”
    And thus the attacks begin..
    More soon..

  5. moryah4 Says:

    Taiwan welcomes $6.5 billion U.S. arms package that angers China

    TAIPEI, Taiwan - Taiwan’s president has welcomed a U.S. decision to sell the island up to US$6.5 billion in advanced weaponry, while China warns that the move could damage relations between Beijing and Washington.

    04/10/2008

    Debby Wu, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister He Yafei summoned U.S. diplomatic representatives to make a strong protest.
    He says the Chinese government and people strongly oppose the U.S. weapons deal, which he says harms Chinese interests and Sino-U.S. relations.
    The White House announced the package, which includes Apache helicopters and Patriot III missiles, in a notification to the U.S. Congress on Friday.
    The State Department said the deal would proceed if no lawmaker voices any objection within 30 days.
    The United States is required by law to provide Taiwan with defensive weapons against a possible invasion by China.
    It remains Taiwan’s most important ally and largest arms supplier, even after Washington switched its diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in 1979.
    Taiwan and China split amid civil war in 1949.
    China continues to claim Taiwan as part of its territory and threatens to attack if the island moves to make the break permanent.
    Liu said the arms sale interferes with China’s internal affairs and harms its national security.
    Friday’s move came three months after Admiral Timothy Keating, the top U.S. military commander in the Pacific, announced a freeze on U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.
    Analysts speculated the decision reflected U.S. reluctance to anger China before President George W. Bush attended the Olympics in Beijing in August.
    On Saturday, Taiwan’s Presidential Office spokesman Wang Yu-chi thanked the U.S. and said his government wants to maintain a strong defence against any threat from China while seeking improvement in cross-strait relations.

    http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/World/ContentPosting?newsitemid=105900042&feedname=CP-WORLD&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=True

  6. moryah4 Says:

    “..But China has not reduced its 1300 or so missiles targeted against Taiwan, mostly stationed in the adjacent Fujian province. ”

    CHINA CRANKS UP PROTESTS TO WASHINGTON OVER TAIWAN ARMS DEAL

    Rowan Callick, China correspondent | October 09, 2008

    The Wall Street Journal yesterday quoted US analysts as saying much of China’s new military spending appeared aimed at preventing Taiwanese independence and making it difficult for the US to intervene in any conflict between the mainland and Taiwan, which China regards as part of its territory.
    Arms packages have been on the table for years, but the stand-off in Taiwan between a Democratic Progressive Party Government and a Kuomintang-controlled parliament prevented any progress.
    The election as President earlier this year of Kuomintang leader Ma Ying-jeou, and the party’s victory in parliamentary elections, unlocked this blockage and Taipei finally formalised its request for an arms package.
    Under Mr Ma, there has been rapid detente between Taipei and Beijing, including the restoration of direct flights and other contacts after almost 60 years.
    But China has not reduced its 1300 or so missiles targeted against Taiwan, mostly stationed in the adjacent Fujian province.
    Mr Ma — whose poll ratings have plunged since he was elected, partly because of the economic downturn and partly because of concerns he has moved too far, too fast in restoring relations with Beijing — is expected to benefit in popularity from China’s tough response to the US arms deal.
    Arms packages have been on the table for years, but the stand-off in Taiwan between a Democratic Progressive Party Government and a Kuomintang-controlled parliament prevented any progress.
    The election as President earlier this year of Kuomintang leader Ma Ying-jeou, and the party’s victory in parliamentary elections, unlocked this blockage and Taipei finally formalised its request for an arms package.
    Mr Ma — whose poll ratings have plunged since he was elected, partly because of the economic downturn and partly because of concerns he has moved too far, too fast in restoring relations with Beijing — is expected to benefit in popularity from China’s tough response to the US arms deal.

    THE Chinese Government has stepped up its protests against Washington’s decision to sell arms worth $US6.5 billion ($9.5billion) to Taiwan, cancelling a number of military and diplomatic exchanges.
    Beijing has halted the visit to the US of a senior Chinese general, port calls by naval ships, and meetings on countering the spread of weapons of mass destruction. And it has withdrawn from an exchange with the US on humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.
    The Chinese Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying: “The Government and the Chinese people strongly oppose and object to the US Government’s actions, which harm Chinese interests and Sino-US relations.”
    China’s ambassador to the US, Zhou Wenzhong, visited the State Department on Monday to protest over the massive arms deal.
    Before the deal, military-to-military ties between China and the US had been expanding.
    The two countries agreed earlier this year to establish a hotline to allow military officials instant contact in emergencies.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24467204-26397,00.html

  7. moryah4 Says:

    (Quote Dr Jon: )

    “I don’t know about a lot of folks out there but has anyone wondered where all the cash is going with trillions being wiped out.
    Even though reserve banks input billions of pounds and the USA with $700bn which is currently not in the system.
    But after many days of drops and billions being input by a variety of countries from Japan to UK the markets still nose dive.
    So who is getting all that cash that is flowing out of the system.
    If companies and banks still go down even with billions in rescue tasks who gets that cash as well.I remember reading a book once where China had a plan and it involved billions in stocks and at some stage in the future they would wait for the market in the USA to start to collapse and then pull cash out.(”Dragon Strike”- published by Sidgewik and Jackson ,1997.)
    This was written by a couple of reliable lads from newspapers who knew what was what back in the late 80’s 90’s.(Humphey Hawksley and Simon Holberton )
    So if true then who is getting the cash and it has to be flowing somewhere.

    Not pointing any fingers! We are talking trillions of dollars wiped out and its still happening.

    The Courier-Mail
    October 9,2008.

    CHINA MORE RESILIENT TO CRISIS.(Hmmm I wonder why)

    The chairman of Microsoft China, Ya-Qin Zhang, said China, like Australia, was somewhat insulated from most of the global financial troubles.
    “China is probably more resilient to this crisis than the rest of the world — and there is a lot more cash in China than in other countries,” he said during a visit to Brisbane yesterday.
    “The Chinese economy remains quite strong, but I do not think the country will be totally immune.”
    However, Mr Zhang warned that very few people understood the depth of the financial crisis.
    He said the $US700 billion bailout package would appease markets in the short term, but there would be more fallout to come.
    Mr Zhang anticipated at least another 18 months of equity market turmoil before we see calm restored in world markets.
    He said said China’s economic growth had already slowed from an annual rate of about 12 per cent to 10 per cent.
    But the country’s voracious appetitite for commodities, particularly from Australia, would continue.
    “No matter how we look at China, it is going to be front and centre in the global affairs of the 21st century,” he said.
    “That is why we in Australia need to do all we can to understand China, but especially learn where China is going.
    “I am quite optimistic on the outlook and I think it will recover — maybe in a year or a year and a half.”

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,24467584-664,00.html

  8. moryah4 Says:

    (Quote Dr Jon: )

    “I don’t know about a lot of folks out there but has anyone wondered where all the cash is going with trillions being wiped out.
    Even though reserve banks input billions of pounds and the USA with $700bn which is currently not in the system.
    But after many days of drops and billions being input by a variety of countries from Japan to UK the markets still nose dive.
    So who is getting all that cash that is flowing out of the system.
    If companies and banks still go down even with billions in rescue tasks who gets that cash as well.I remember reading a book once where China had a plan and it involved billions in stocks and at some stage in the future they would wait for the market in the USA to start to collapse and then pull cash out.(”Dragon Strike”- published by Sidgewik and Jackson ,1997.)
    This was written by a couple of reliable lads from newspapers who knew what was what back in the late 80’s 90’s.(Humphey Hawksley and Simon Holberton )
    So if true then who is getting the cash and it has to be flowing somewhere.

    Not pointing any fingers! We are talking trillions of dollars wiped

    -A Smoking Gun ?..

    (from) “This Is Too Big For China”

    Story By Colleen Ryan and Stephen Wyatt (Shanghai)

    (”The Weekend Australian Financial Review”,Oct 9-11,2008)

    China is likely to fare a lot better that most other economies.
    ..A lot more coco-operation may be expected of China in coming weeks.It is the world’s largest holder of foreign exchange reserves,more than $US 1.8 trillion (2.6 billion $AUS).It holds massive amounts of US treasuries and US government debt-$US 518 billion in treasuries and $US 376 billion in government agency debt.
    There is a risk that there could be a backlash against China.This is already evident in newspaper commentaries in the US and europe seeking to trace the causes of the finacial crisis .There is keen focus on the massive transfer of foreign exchange resrves to China and the subsequent reinvestment in the US,flooding the country’s credit markets.
    China’s economic policy and foriegn exchange management are expected to come under close scrutiny.
    Should China stand up now and say it is buying more US treasuries in a bid to add confidence to markets?This question has already been canvassed in china and some commentators are recommending China demand strict conditions in return for any assistance.

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