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LHC activates on wednesday 10th sept 08

OK! So now comes the fun.

What do you expect from the collider?

I know what a lot of scientists expect and hope for. But the opposite side of the story which one should never ignore or shrug off is the problem scenario now one would expect that they would have in place contingency plans for what if!

So if not then I would expect an email fairly soon after it is activated.

Why me you ask?

Well as we have an understanding of universal theory and access to some highly advanced data as well as special abilities to sense fractures in space and time and heal those rifts it becomes pretty obvious where we are in the scheme of things. Going into the ultra atomic level where energy barriers exist for a purpose means if you want to collide particles at light speed and increase the level without some form of knowing what to expect is a little like putting your finger into a nuclear accelerator and expecting nothing to happen.

Atoms have this nasty habit of not doing always what you expect but its not for me to cast doubts on what they are doing its more along the lines of well guys and girls if you have a problem just call the Dr.

11 Responses to “LHC activates on wednesday 10th sept 08”

  1. moryah4 Says:


    Posted on September 13, 2008 by rajendra Parmanik

    On 10 September 2008, a group identifying as the Greek Security Team managed to hack a computer system of the Large Hadron Collider charged to analyze the data from the Compact Muon Solenoid detector.In a web page of the CERN site, they described the technicians responsible for computer security as “schoolkids” and also expressed that they had no intention to disrupt the scientists’ work.

    The hackers reportedly mounted an attack on the Large Hadron Collider, which has raised eyebrows over the security of this historic experiment in the world, as it surpasses a vital milestone.

    Scientists say that it was a competition between two hacker groups - known in hacking circles as 2600 and 1337, that led them to break into the experiment just before it was to begin.

    2600, also known as the Greek Security Team broke into the experiment and left a message saying, “We are 2600.. don’t mess with us…” The scientists who were behind the mammoth experiment had received threatening emails prior to the start.

    Scientists working at Cern, the organisation that runs the vast smasher, were worried about what the hackers could do because they were ‘one step away’ from the computer control system of one of the huge detectors of the machine, a vast magnet that weighs 12,500 tons, measuring around 21 metres in length and 15 metres wide/high.

    It appears that none of the experiments were adversely impacted by the security breach. But with “more than 110 different control systems” in place that run everything from building heating to radiation protection to the particle accelerators themselves, the idea of a security breach can seem frightening. Cern’s own Computing and Network Infrastructure for Controls group had previously produced a document that said, “recent events show that computer security issues are becoming a serious problem also at Cern.” The team refused to comment, however, on this week’s security breach.
    Fortunately, only one file was damaged but one of the scientists firing off emails as the CMS team fought off the hackers said it was a “scary experience”. The hackers breached the CMSMON system, which monitors the CMS software system. CMS takes vast amounts of data during collisions.

  2. moryah4 Says:

    LCH Experiment Update.

    The first beam was circulated through the collider on the morning of 10 September 2008. CERN successfully fired the protons around the tunnel in stages, three kilometres at a time. The particles were fired in a clockwise direction into the accelerator and successfully steered around it at 10:28 am local time.
    The LHC successfully completed its first major test: after a series of trial runs, two white dots flashed on a computer screen showing the protons traveled the full length of the collider. It took less than one hour to guide the stream of particles around its inaugural circuit. CERN next successfully sent a beam of protons in a counterclockwise direction.
    they started the Large Hadron Collider going by accelerating a proton. However they did not perform any collisions between protons and as such no black hole has opened yet .
    I find it interesting how the media here seemed to laud the whole process as a success when the ‘unknown element’ of the experiment has not yet been enacted.
    It’s waiting time………………………………………………………………………..

  3. moryah4 Says:

    Large Hadron Collider: First subatomic particle collision to happen next week

    By Roger Highfield, Science Editor 16/09/2008

    The first collisions between subatomic particles will take place in the Large Hadron Collider next week, which will mark another milestone for the biggest experiment in history.
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    “If we get stable conditions, I am very optimistic things will go quite fast,” says Dr Lyn Evans, the coal miner’s son from Aberdare, South Wales, who is leader of the £4.4 billion particle accelerator, a project that involves around 10,000 scientists and engineers worldwide.
    Although there was much ballyhoo last week about the first particles - protons - to whirl around the LHC at a shade under the speed of light, the real aim of the exercise is to bring counter rotating beams of particles into collision in the four “eyes” - detectors - of the machine to recreate conditions not seen since just after the birth of the universe.
    These fears have been dismissed as nonsense by Dr Evans, along with scientists such as Prof Stephen Hawking, who say that the end of the world is not nigh.
    The original plan was to take 31 days from the first proton beams circulating in the LHC to smashing protons for the first time. “We were going along at a real good lick,” Dr Evans said of the days after particles first circulated.But the cryogenics that keep the great machine cool - it is the biggest fridge on the planet - went down on Friday, as a result of thunderstorms disrupting the power supply- “We have had problems with the electricity supply for various reasons and the cryogenics is recovering from that, so we will not have a beam again, probably until Thursday morning,” says Dr Evans.The team now hopes to achieve collisions at between one fifth and one tenth of the full energy in a few days. “We are very confident that we can go quite quickly. The experiments have asked us for some early collisions, at low energy. If we get stable conditions, we will get there next week.The collisions will take place in the two general purpose detectors of the giant machine, called Atlas and CMS, though Dr Evans adds the team will also attempt collisions in Alice, which will study a “liquid” form of matter, called a quark-gluon plasma, that formed shortly after the Big Bang, and an experiment called LHCb, which will investigate the fate of antimatter in the wake of the Big Bang.
    “The main objective is to get to 5TeV” (that target energy per beam is equivalent to 10Tev collisions, while the LHC is designed to reach 14 TeV working full steam), said Dr Evans, “I don’t know how long that will take,” though the schedule predicts that 14 TeV will be reached next year. We would not go to very high energy next, week, we are not that clever,” said “Evans the Atom”.

  4. moryah4 Says:

    - September 15, 2008.


    by physicists Stephen Reucroft and John Swain, both of Northeastern University.

    The Large Hadron Collider, switched on last week in an underground tunnel in Switzerland, is actually two particle accelerators fastened together to make a collider. One of them accelerates protons clockwise, and the other counterclockwise - and when the protons have enough energy, magnets are used to steer them into each other and a particle collision occurs.
    This is no big deal. Nature does this sort of thing all the time. The difference here is that the proton-proton collisions take place in the laboratory so physicists get a chance to see what happens.
    Last week, only part of the collider was turned on. Protons were controlled and accelerated around the entire machine (17 miles around) but no attempt was made to have any proton-proton collisions. That final step will be accomplished sometime before the end of October.
    So, when the device starts colliding protons next month, will it then make black holes?
    Absolutely not!
    Curiously, even though black holes are assumed to exist by everyone, including some of our best scientists, black holes have never been proven to exist. Indeed, they are predicted by theories that we know are wrong.
    Black hole candidates have been discovered by astronomers, but they are all super-massive objects many times the mass of our sun and we really don’t know what they are. Microscopic black holes do not exist, except in the imagination.

  5. moryah4 Says:

    Safety of the Large Hadron Collider

    Concerns have been raised in the media, on the Internet and through the law courts about the safety of the particle physics experiments planned to take place at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the world’s largest and most powerful particle accelerator to date, built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) near Geneva, in Switzerland. The claimed dangers of the LHC particle collisions, which are scheduled to begin during the week of 22 September 2008, include doomsday scenarios involving the production of stable micro black holes and the creation of hypothetical particles called strangelets. To address such concerns, CERN mandated a group of independent scientists to review these scenarios. In a report issued in 2003, they concluded that, like current particle experiments such as the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC), the LHC particle collisions pose no conceivable threat. A second review of the evidence commissioned by CERN was released in 2008. The report, prepared by a group of physicists not involved in the LHC experiments, reaffirmed the safety of the LHC collisions in light of further research conducted since the 2003 assessment. It was reviewed and endorsed by a CERN committee of 20 external scientists and by the Executive Committee of the Division of Particles & Fields of the American Physical Society, and was later published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Physics G.
    The report concludes that any doomsday scenarios at the LHC are ruled out because the physical conditions and events that will be created in the LHC experiments occur naturally in the universe without hazardous consequences.


    In the run up to the commissioning of the LHC, with the first collisions expected to take place at the beginning of the week starting on 22 September 2008, Walter L. Wagner (an American botanist and former radiation safety officer, as well as an original opponent of the RHIC), Luis Sancho (a Spanish science writer) and Otto Rössler (a German biochemist) have expressed concerns over the safety of the LHC, and have attempted to halt the beginning of the experiments through petitions to the US and European Courts.These opponents assert that the LHC experiments have the potential to create low velocity micro black holes that could grow in mass or release dangerous radiation leading to doomsday scenarios, such as the destruction of the Earth.
    Other claimed potential risks include the creation of theoretical particles called strangelets, magnetic monopoles and vacuum bubbles.


    Micro black holes

    Although the Standard Model of particle physics predicts that LHC energies are far too low to create black holes, some extensions of the Standard Model posit the existence of extra spatial dimensions, in which it would be possible to create micro black holes at the LHC at a rate on the order of one per second. According to the standard calculations these are harmless because they would quickly decay by Hawking radiation. The LHC Safety Assessment Group (LSAG) indicates that “there is broad consensus among physicists on the reality of Hawking radiation, but so far no experiment has had the sensitivity required to find direct evidence for it.”. According to the LSAG, even if micro black holes were produced by the LHC and were stable, “they would be unable to accrete matter in a manner dangerous for the Earth. They would also have been produced by cosmic rays and have stopped in the Earth or some other astronomical body, and the stability of these astronomical bodies means that they cannot be dangerous.” The LSAG further argues that:

    “ Stable black holes could be either electrically charged or neutral. If stable microscopic black holes had no electric charge, their interactions with the Earth would be very weak. Those produced by cosmic rays would pass harmlessly through the Earth into space, whereas those produced by the LHC could remain on Earth. However, there are much larger and denser astronomical bodies than the Earth in the Universe. Black holes produced in cosmic-ray collisions with bodies such as neutron stars and white dwarf stars would be brought to rest. The continued existence of such dense bodies, as well as the Earth, rules out the possibility of the LHC producing any dangerous black holes. ”


    Strangelets are a hypothetical form of strange matter that contains roughly equal numbers of up, down, and strange quarks and are more stable than ordinary nuclei. If strangelets can actually exist, and if they were produced at LHC, they could conceivably initiate a runaway fusion process in which all the nuclei in the planet were converted to strange matter, similar to a strange star.

    The probability of the creation of strangelets decreases at higher energies. As the LHC operates at higher energies than the RHIC or the heavy ion programs of the 1980s and 1990s, LHC is less likely to produce strangelets than its predecessors. Furthermore, models indicate that strangelets are only stable or long-lived at low temperatures. Strangelets are bound at low energies (in the range of 1-10 MeV), whilst the collisions in the LHC release energies in the range of 14 TeV. The second law of thermodynamics precludes the formation of a cold condensate that is an order of magnitude cooler than the surrounding medium. This can be illustrated by the example of trying to form an ice cube in boiling water.

    Specific concerns

    Otto Rössler, a German chemistry professor at the University of Tübingen, argues that micro black holes created in the LHC could grow exponentially On 4 July 2008, Rössler met with a CERN physicist, Rolf Landua, at the LHC, with whom he discussed his safety concerns. Following the meeting, Landua asked another expert, Hermann Nicolai, Director of the Albert Einstein Institute, in Germany, to examine Rössler’s arguments.Nicolai reviewed Otto Rössler’s research paper on the safety of the LHC and issued a statement highlighting logical inconsistencies and physical misunderstandings in Rössler’s arguments. Nicolai concluded that “this text would not pass the referee process in a serious journal.” Domenico Giulini also commented with Hermann Nicolai on Otto Rössler’s thesis, concluding that “his argument concerns only the General Theory of Relativity (GRT), and makes no logical connection to LHC physics; the argument is not valid; the argument is not self-consistent.” On 1 August 2008, a group of German physicists, the Committee for Elementary Particle Physics (KET), published an open letter further dismissing Rössler’s concerns and carrying assurances that the LHC is safe. Otto Rössler was due to meet Swiss president Pascal Couchepin in mid August to discuss this concern, but it was later reported that the meeting had been canceled as it was believed Rössler and his fellow opponents would have used the meeting for their own publicity.

    On 10 August 2008, Rainer Plaga, a German astrophysicist, posted on the arXiv Web archive a paper concluding that current safety reports have not demonstrated that white dwarfs stop cosmic-ray produced micro black holes in general. According to Plaga, exclusion of black holes that would be dangerous at the planetary scale thus remains not definite. Plaga further states that, if a micro black hole is created at the LHC, the Hawking radiation emitted from the decaying black body may be dangerous to either CERN and its surroundings or to the Earth itself. He also proposes measures for risk mitigation for the start up phase of the LHC. In a follow-up paper posted on the arXiv archive on 29 August 2008, Steven Giddings and Michelangelo Mangano, the authors of the research paper “Astrophysical implications of hypothetical stable TeV-scale black holes”, responded to Rainer Plaga’s concerns. They point out what they see as a basic inconsistency in Plaga’s calculation, and argue that their own conclusions on the safety of the collider, as referred to in the LHC safety assessment (LSAG) report, remain robust.
    Giddings and Mangano also refer to another research paper posted on arXiv on 22 July 2008, titled Exclusion of black hole disaster scenarios at the LHC, which summarizes proofs intended to rule out any possible black hole disaster at the LHC.

    Legal challenges

    On 21 March 2008, a complaint requesting an injunction to halt the LHC’s startup was filed by Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho against CERN and its American collaborators, the US Department of Energy, the National Science Foundation and the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, before the United States District Court for the District of Hawaii. The plaintiffs demanded an injunction against the LHC’s activation for 4 months after issuance of the LHC Safety Assessment Group’s (LSAG) most recent safety documentation, and a permanent injunction until the LHC can be demonstrated to be reasonably safe within industry standards. The US Federal Court scheduled trial to begin 16 June 2009.

    The LSAG review, issued on 20 June 2008 after outside review, found “no basis for any concerns about the consequences of new particles or forms of matter that could possibly be produced by the LHC”. The US Government, in response, called for summary dismissal of the suit against the government defendants as untimely due to the expiration of a six-year statute of limitations, since funding began by 1999 and has essentially been completed already, and also called the hazards claimed by the plaintiffs “overly speculative and not credible”. On 2 September 2008, the Hawaii District Court heard the government’s motion to dismiss.Judge Helen Gillmor, who presided the hearing, will decide whether or not to dismiss the case at an undetermined future date. In the meanwhile, the hearing on a motion for a default judgment against CERN has been scheduled for 14 October 2008.

    On 26 August 2008, Otto Rössler filed a suit against CERN in the European Court of Human Rights, in Strasbourg, alleging the Large Hadron Collider poses grave risks for the safety of the 27 member states of the European Union and their citizens. The request for an injunction was summarily rejected on 26 August, leaving the case that it violates the right to life still pending

  6. moryah4 Says:

    According to string theory, space-time isn’t 4-dimensional as you might expect, but 10-dimensional. Where are the extra six dimensions? One answer is that they’re “compactified”: roughly speaking, rolled up into such a small space as to be unobservable at human scales.
    Calabi-Yau spaces may be that microscopic shape, deep inside the hidden dimensions of string theory. There are many such spaces, but since they are six-dimensional, they’re not easy to draw! This model shows a cross-section through a likely space. The cross-section is a surface that can be projected into 3-dimensional space, and that makes it possible to draw it.
    Physically it’s a 3 1/8″ cube, and the surface within is a wildly self-intersecting ride through space:

  7. moryah4 Says:

    From Science News:

    …It is possible that the LHC, according to one theory, could be a veritable factory of mini-black holes — no larger than a thousandth of the diameter of a proton.
    That theory proposes that gravity is weak, compared to the other forces in nature, because some of it leaks out into other, hidden dimensions folded up into sizes as small as 10-17 centimeters, a tiny fraction of the diameter of a hydrogen atom.

    At the high energies and small scales probed by the LHC, gravity would become much stronger than it is in ordinary three-dimensional space. Gravity could then cram enough matter together to form microscopic black holes as often as once a second.

    However, such black holes, according to research first reported by Stephen Hawking in the 1970s, ought to rapidly radiate away their energy and evaporate in an instant, before doing any harm.

  8. moryah4 Says:

    br stilson

    on 09/13/2008

    I was watching a thing where it said if the magnets failed to contain the beam, it would punch through the side of the tunnel and make a 100 meter hole in the rock.
    So, if it’ll go 100 meters through the rock, how far will it go unimpeded through the atmosphere? All the way to space, perhaps? Something to defend ourselves from invading alien spaceships, perhaps?

  9. moryah4 Says:


    Chapter 1: Particle collider comes close to the big bang on a small scale

    By Alan Boyle (Science editor)
    Sept. 8, 2008

    MEYRIN, Switzerland scientists are getting ready to blast subatomic particles so energetically that the extreme conditions of the freshly born universe will be re-created on Earth.
    Will those “little big bangs” crack age-old scientific mysteries? Or, despite repeated assurances from the world’s top experts, will they create black holes that could gobble up the planet? After decades of preparation, scientists are finally switching on a machine that will separate the facts from what is plainly The machine is the $10 billion Large Hadron Collider, or LHC — the most powerful, most expensive particle-blaster ever invented.Last week Wednesday (10th September), Europe’s CERN particle-physics lab started shooting beams of protons through the LHC’s 17-mile-round (27-kilometer-round) ring of tunnels beneath the French-Swiss border, near Geneva.
    It will take months for the machine to reach full power. But eventually, those protons will be whipped up to 99.999999 percent of the speed of light, slamming together with the energy of two bullet trains colliding head-on. Underground detectors as big as cathedrals will track the subatomic wreckage on a time scale of billionths of a second. Billions of bits of data will be sent out every second for analysis.
    As big as the numbers surrounding the LHC are, the mysteries it was built to address are bigger:

    What was the newborn universe made of?

    What causes things to have mass?

    Why is most of that mass hidden?

    Where did all the antimatter go?

    Is our entire universe a mere sliver of all that is?

    “The LHC is the most powerful microscope that’s ever been built,” said John Ellis, a theoretical physicist here at CERN. “It will be able to explore the inner structure of matter on a scale that is 10 times smaller than anyone’s been able to do before.”
    Ellis said the LHC also serves as “the most powerful telescope ever built,” even though it looks inward rather than outward.
    “We know that the way elementary particles interacted with each other controlled the very early universe,” he explained. “So with the LHC we are able to, in some sense, re-create the conditions that existed in the universe when it was just a fraction of a second old — the sort of thing that the optical telescopes just can’t see.”

    What’s the point?

    Past experiments in particle physics have yielded scores of practical spin-offs, ranging from new medical therapies to high-tech industrial materials — and even the World Wide Web, which you’re using to read this report. But the potential for spin-offs isn’t why more than 10,000 researchers around the world are looking forward so anxiously to the LHC.
    “People ever since the ancient Greeks – and probably a long time before that – have wanted to understand how matter is made up, how it behaves, where the universe comes from,” said Ellis, surrounded in his office by stacks of research papers. “And so we are responding to that continuing human urge.”
    The quest is not without controversy: Scientists say there’s a chance that the LHC could create microscopic black holes, a phenomenon never before observed on Earth. They hasten to add that the tiny singularities will instantly pop out of existence, but that hasn’t stopped critics from trying to block the collider’s startup. Two of the critics have filed suit in federal court in Hawaii, seeking the suspension of LHC operations until more studies are done.

    fact file LHC by the numbers

    • Cost: $6 billion to $10 billion

    • Years in the making: 14

    • Top energy: 14 trillion electron volts

    • Peak power consumption: 120 megawatts

    • Number of collaborators: More than 10,000

    Cost: $6 billion to $10 billion

    Why the wide range of estimates?

    Europe’s CERN research organization says it’s investing $6 billion. Adding the value of other contributions since 1994, including the detectors, boosts the total to as much as $10 billion. To some extent, it depends on who’s doing the counting and what the currency rates are.
    Responding to the critics, CERN has issued a series of reports explaining why the LHC will pose no threat. Ellis was one of the report’s authors. “If the LHC were to make microscopic black holes, it would be tremendously exciting — and no danger,” he said.

    The 62-year-old London native has spent more than half his life at CERN, delving into topics ranging from dark matter to the theory of everything. Once the LHC is up and running, he expects to find out whether the theories he and other physicists have developed over all those years lead to solid evidence — or lead to a scientific dead end.

    “Theoretically, that would be the most interesting possibility, because it would really mean that we had to tear up our notebooks of the last 45 years and start more or less from scratch,” Ellis said.

    The God Particle

    The theory described in all those notebooks is known as the Standard Model, which ranks among the scientific world’s most successful theories. The Standard Model lays out a menagerie of subatomic particles and their interactions — and provides the basis for inventions ranging from television sets to microwave ovens to nuclear bombs.
    Only one elementary particle predicted by the Standard Model has not yet been detected: the Higgs boson, which is thought to interact with other particles to give them mass. Without the Higgs, the big bang might have been an insubstantial flash in the pan — all energy, and no mass. Or so the theory goes.

    The elusive Higgs boson looms so large as a gap in the Standard Model that Nobel-winning physicist Leon Lederman wrote a book about it called “The God Particle.” (He joked that he wanted to call it the “Goddamn Particle,” but his editor wouldn’t let him.)

    “This is in some sense the holy grail of particle physics, to find this missing link in the Standard Model,” Ellis said. “So that’s one thing that we’re really looking forward to with the LHC. In fact, back when we persuaded the politicians to stump up the money to build the thing, that’s probably what we told them.”

  10. moryah4 Says:


    ( Quote): )

    “According to string theory, space-time isn’t 4-dimensional as you might expect, but 10-dimensional. Where are the extra six dimensions? One answer is that they’re “compactified”: roughly speaking, rolled up into such a small space as to be unobservable at human scales.”

    Dr Jon and Zarlen state that everything in the known universe actually has twelve parallels (or ascending levels of energy) existing within in it.
    He says these levels are like par levels and that one level will stimulate (influence)the levels it is parallel to.
    Each of these twelve levels has twelve similar ascending parallels existing within them.Like a microism of the others.
    He also speaks of twelve dimensions existing within our known universe which life(or anti-matter)which is also termed positive magnetic or spiritual energy,must evolve through,to realize its entirety, being part of and therefore equal to everything in the known universe .
    Matter meanwhile ,being the outer projected illusory state(much like a holographic state) allows us to define a continual measurable unit of our evolvement (increased awareness of our continuall enhanced energy state.
    Zarlen says the physical(matter) body is a inherent part of the first three dimensions.But what distinguishes the third dimension of our existance is ‘emotion’ which is the physical body’s reaction to learning new ‘input’ which represents an increase in the level of anti-matter(spiritual force) in the body(the physical body consist of a balance of both values) which it has to adapt to.
    As all knowledge carries energy ‘emotion’(elctrical energy) is what is produced through the physical bodies adaption(adjustment) to that increased value.If you the lifeform accepts the new energy( input),using its breathing pattern to stay calm and aware,it will eventually reach a state of equilibrium and its collective energy frequency(vibration) increases.
    If you do not control the emotional state (it may be fear, apprehension , shock,stress etc. you end up converting the anti-matter(positive magnetic or what we call spiritual force) to the physical (electrical value) This excess electrical value( a natural value to maintain the body always gets created naturally anyway with all new ‘input’)gets stored in your cells(from the neck down) as ‘emotional energy’(this becomes a record of the incompleted learning experience with the energy sensation of the event ) and in time,this energy wil periodically will be re-released in a ‘retro-active’ interplay so you can relearn the lesson ,by drawing the same type of elements (learning scenario) to your sphere and hopefully in this next instant take on the new enhanced value which was originally presented to you,control the emotional state and grow.
    Dr Jon says the memory of the human life form in the third dimensional stae in which we live is in the body from the neck down ,in the cells ,where the relevant data is stored as emotional (electrical energy).
    He also says the human brain is actually not what peole think in it true function and that it acts more like a transmitter acting as the conduit for a higher external energy source (like a main data bank) .He terms this aspect the ’super conscious’. But that is another story he (they may decide to elaborate on later)

  11. moryah4 Says:

    But getting back to theLHC experiment where they will violent ram packs of prototns together at lightning speeds.
    Zarlen says that the twelve ascending enrgy parallels exist within in all matter. Dr Jon calls this positive magnetic energy(antimatter)or spiritual energy-energy with intelligence.So evrything has some basic intelligence.
    Also as life evolves through each of these twelve dimensions there is a ascending period of time.The time period expands significantly from one dimension to the next.
    So does Zarlen/Dr Jon mean the walls that separate the parrallels which exist within in all matter, will be breached when the LHC smashes the protons together ???Wonder how that would manifest???
    we shall have to wait and see(gulp!)

    (Quote)Well as we have an understanding of universal theory and access to some highly advanced data as well as special abilities to sense fractures in space and time and heal those rifts it becomes pretty obvious where we are in the scheme of things. Going into the ultra atomic level where energy barriers exist for a purpose means if you want to collide particles at light speed and increase the level without some form of knowing what to expect is a little like putting your finger into a nuclear accelerator and expecting nothing to happen.

    Atoms have this nasty habit of not doing always what you expect but its not for me to cast doubts on what they are doing its more along the lines of well guys and girls if you have a problem just call the Dr.

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